Do confrontational dog training methods work? Is that really the point?

You roll him. I'll watch.

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A few months ago the Journal of Applied Animal Behaviour Science published an article titled Survey of the use and outcome of confrontational and non-confrontational training methods in client-owned dogs showing undesired behaviors". Two of the researchers participated in the research regarding children and dog bites that I wrote about earlier, so I decided to plunk down my $31.50 and read it for myself.

Similar to the research on canine aggression directed toward children, the researchers had access to people seeking helping from a veterinary behavioral service. This time, rather than examining records, surveys were distributed to families requesting information about the methods that had been used prior to common to the veterinarian and whether they had a positive, negative, or no, effect on the dog's behavior. The survey also asked whether aggressive behavior was seen in association with the particular method. One hundred forty surveys were completed in one year's time.

In analyzing methods the researchers broke them down into four broad areas: direct confrontation, indirect confrontation, reward-based training, and neutral.

The takeaway from the research has been discussed in quite a few places already on the Internet; confrontational behavior modification techniques can result in aggressive responses from dogs. The specifics however, had some very interesting points.

  • Sixty of the participants reported trying to use "alpha rolls" or "dominance downs." Eighteen of them - that's 30% - said that the technique resulted in an aggressive response.
  • Twenty-eight of the participants reported hitting or kicking their dogs. Twelve of them reported an aggressive response. That's 43%!
  • Twenty-seven participants used scruff shakes or grabbed their dog's jowls. 26% reported an aggressive reaction.
  • Fifty-three used a "stare-down," sixteen of which (30%) reported an aggressive response.
  • Fifty-one used a spray bottle. Ten of them reported an aggressive response. (That's 20%).

Needless to say, some commonly used aversive methods come with a bit of risk.

Now, compare those numbers to these:

  • One hundred twenty-four reported using food rewards. Two reported an aggressive response.
  • One hundred and one reported trying increased exercise. None reported an aggressive response.
  • One hundred and one reported having their dog sit for all desired items and activities. Two reported an aggressive response.

As you might expect, non-confrontational methods infrequently elicit aggressive responses.

But here's the real rub: the survey also asked families about the success rates for various techniques. I don't want to regurgitate too much more of the paper, as it risks violating the publisher's rights, but here are some quick numbers:

  • Alpha Roll: 44% effective, 25% negative, 31% no effect
  • Dominance Down: 48% effective, 24% negative, 28% no effect
  • "Sit for everything" 85% effective, 1% negative, 14% no effect
  • Increased Exercise: 69% effective, 1% negative, 30% no effect

The reported 44% - 48% success rate with alpha rolls/dominance downs is rather interesting. Going from no training at all to any training, regardless of the techniques and the degree of skill and consistency, is going to lead to some improvement. Be careful when you dismiss methods that you dislike or even those that are outright inhumane: even an unprogrammed VCR is right twice a day.

Of course, this is a small sample and the observations are those of "average pet owners" but all things being equal, the word from the trenches is that non-confrontational methods are not just more effective but also less risky.

No surprise

interesting article Eric ,but no surprise here. And like you say, some of these aversive methods will work ,but the question remains, for how long ,and at what cost?

Definition of "work"

The average owner seems to define a method as "working" when the dog stops the behavior.  Not permanently, just in that moment (hence the popularity of the DW).  Even though the owners claimed 44%-48% success with alpha rolls/dominance downs, they are still at a veterinary behaviorist seeking help, which suggests that the methods didn't work because the problem still exists.

Years ago, I had a dog that bit a jogger running past our house.  I immediately "alpha rolled" him (as we were told to do back then).  Well, he didn't bite that jogger again, but 5 years later, he inflicted multiple bites to another person, who required more than 50 stitches.  So, did the alpha roll work?  Not really!

getting to the root of the matter

I've been on a mission to figure out the root of all this verbal and physical abuse, be it with animals or humans. The story lines may vary to justify the use, whether it is or isn't effective, understanding the root of the issue, I believe is where change is possible.

In my quest, I came across two gems;

1-In Dr. Patricia McConnells book, "For the love of a dog" where she simplifies the root of fear, anger and I believe you can add ego which triggers chemicals in our body which if left untrained from unleashing them...people will always find ways to abuse others and think up ways to justify the abuse.

Quote from her book  ... "amygdalas begin a series of biochemical changes that ready us for battle....Neurotransmitters flush through or bodies, producing a burst of energy. That rush of energy is one of the reasons we feel compelled to do something ....even when caution is the wisest choice."

2-Another gem which gives me hope, I found was in John J. Ratey's book, "A user's guide to the brain" where he states: "We are not prisoners of our genes or our environment...By viewing the brain as a muscle that can be weakened or strengthened, we can exercise our ability to determine who we become."

In the end, we are what we strengthen within ourselves.  

 

happy-houndz.blogspot.com

cheers, kate

Better to be Nice.

Very good article Eric.  Not only is confrontational training dubious as a long term solution but it is emotionally taxing on both parties involved; at least it should be.  I was trained in the old confrontational style and fell for it because I did not know any better.  I was ready to give up but thankfully someone introduced me to a more positive approach. It has changed everything about how I approach training and life in general.

William

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You're on to something

You're on to something kmutzke. What attracts some people to more confrontational modalities does seem to be rooted in the brain, in one way or the other.

For most people, when offered the opportunity to engage in confrontational or non confrontational methods, the choice will be the non confrontational approach when assured that the results will be equal to or surpassing the confrontational approach.

Unfortunately though, many people have the need for the visceral satisfaction that confrontational methods provide. For this subset, no amount of science or statistics will sway them from their course.

I did find the reported

@davetgabby - I did find the reported effective rates for apha rolls a bit surprising...

But yes, things will improve when the costs of these techniques become part of the calculus.

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Eric Goebelbecker

Yes, for many simply

Yes, for many simply suppressing behavior is considered success. I was tempted to go into the accuracy of the ~46% success rate of the rolls and downs, but to be fair if the success of the confrontational techniques is overreported, it's possible that the success rate of the gentler techniques is off too. How many had the lure properly faded? How many will perform with distractions?

I agree that people will

I agree that people will always find ways to abuse and justify it. From "tough love" to claims of it being the "natural order," there's always a reason that sounds good to those that want to hear it. We can't really control that. We can only control what we do and try to educate others. At the end of the day, people need to make their own choice.

 

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Eric Goebelbecker

Is Wiley Coyote a

Is Wiley Coyote a client?

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Eric Goebelbecker

That's a great story. I'm

That's a great story. I'm not a crossover trainer and I really appreciate those that have made the change and share their experiences with us.

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Eric Goebelbecker

Oxytocin

re: confrontational method adrenaline junkies

In learning more about what may possess a person to choose confrontational methods, I've also come across so much more literature on oxytocin, dopamine, and like substances which are equally powerful.  And best of all, make us more likely to make compassionate decisions.

Maybe one day, if all goes well, we'll be able to add a pump or two of a little oxytocin to our hazelnut, mocha lattes :P

 

happy-houndz.blogspot.com cheers, kate

Great Article

This article reinforces a point which is important for all dog owners to understand. Following the advice of popular television personalities may not always be the most successful means of training your dog. Positive reinforcement with rewards for desired behavior and working to replace undesirable behaviors with desirable ones is almost always preferable to confrontation and is certainly safer for the pet owner. Thank you for this thoughtful information.

Lorie Huston

Veterinarian, Pet health and pet care expert, Author

Pet Health Care Gazette

Do they work and why?

We have to ask two questions here:

Do confrontational methods work? If so why/how do they work?

So, do these methods work? Why yes they do. Justifying that because they work they are acceptable, is kinda like saying it's alright to shoot a dog because that action solves all behaviour problems all of the time. I think not.

Why or how do these methods work? Something that is often overlooked by owners (and some trainers) is the condition of learned helplessness. If a punisher is slightly inconsistent or mistimed it becomes random to the dog. Over time this results in learned helplessness. Dogs with this condition are apathetic, slow to learn, lethargic and "behaviourally flat". Many people (especially advocates of confrontational methods) confuse this with success. The dog is no longer "misbehaving" so surely he must be fixed? I think not.

Creating a psychological condition greater than the original problem is not the solution. The best analogy that comes to mind is me telling someone I have a headache, so they kick me in the leg and cause me pain which overshadows my headache. Success! Yeah right.

Confrontational methods do show results - whether these results are acceptable or not they tend to reinforce the use of these methods. If the dog responds to the owner's satisfaction (i.e. goes into a state of learned helplessness) then the owner is convinced that the methods work. If the dog responds with aggression then the owner is convinced that there was a problem and now the dog is resisting! The poor dogs are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I also think there is a deeply rooted need in some individuals to react in an "eye for an eye" manner. All the studies in the world will not dissuade these individuals from using techniques that give them some psychological benefit.

All we can do is expose owners to the benefits of +R and let them make informed decisions.

Good article......

........... very interesting... I never tried the whole Dominance thing, it just didnt sit ritght, I dont really think that trying to out bully my dog is going to get me anywhere.. I have a Deaf Border collie girl, about 5 years old who is really aggressive to strangers.. walking her out in public is ok untill someone passes us, she will go after them to kill, no warning growl or bark, some times she will eve appear to be happy to see them but when they get close she explodes like a grenade.. but bring her in a crowd and she will actually let people pet her.. or, if i lay her down and sorta pet and hold her, she will let anyone pet her.. I would say shes very high strung.. she runs from door to door to window at least 50 timesper day, even if no one is outside.. she barks like crazy and violently throws her full weight against the door.. crazy? no... nervose? maybe but definetly high strung.,

The line that I really loved

The line that I really loved in the abstract was

"confrontational methods ...were associated with aggressive responses in many cases. It is thus important for primary care veterinarians to advise owners about risks associated with such training methods and provide guidance..."

Like it or not, most people still receive dog training advice in informal converstations with people who know little or nothing about dog training or behavior.  That includes a lot of veterinarians.  Data demonstrating that pet owners using confrontational techniques risk provoking aggression in their dogs is something that all vets should see.  It's about all that this study tells us, however, as far as I can see.   

I'm very skeptical about the reports of efficacy.  Owner perceptions of that question going back a year strike me as essentially worthless.  I see owners disagreeing on what happened yesterday in most of my consults.  I trust reports of aggression more than reports of efficacy because aggression is a more concrete concept than behavioral improvement and it's quite memorable for most people. 

The study's demonstration of the risk associated with confrontational techniques is important.  I do wonder if the risk is overstated since we're talking about dogs being presented at a veterinary behavior practice:  a population that is likely more prone to aggression than the general pet population.  (Did the actual study give a breakdown of the issues people were seeking treatment for?).  Still, the numbers are striking and should make people think.  Thanks for posting it.   

 

@zacker - have you worked

@zacker - have you worked with someone local to you on your BC's problem with strangers?

You are absolutely right, trying to "out bully" a dog isn't going to get you very far. I have a pretty high strung BC mix myself.I shudder to think what would have happened to her with someone who took that approach.

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Eric Goebelbecker

Jeff - Unfortunately, no

Jeff -

Unfortunately, no breakdown on the problems people were seeking help with. Probably would be fascinating to map problem->method->result.

The people seeking help from a veterinary behavior practice probably do represent a high number of serious problems....but then many people claim that these methods are required and/or justified in these cases.

 

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Eric Goebelbecker

The claim that serious

The claim that serious problems require confrontational methods has always struck me as one of the more harmful in these debates.  The first aggressive dogs that I worked with were the ones who exposed the limits of the techniques I was familiar with up to that point, and led to my interest in more positive methods.  That's not to say that there aren't people effectively using more aversive methods to deal with serious problems, but that idea that they're the argument that confrontation is more appropriate with aggressive dogs than a more "normal" confident dog has always particularly stuck in my craw.      

Serious claims

The claim that serious problems require those methods is frequently offered as a defense of Cesar Millan, including a variation that says that Cesar is uniquely skilled and can use them to save dogs that would otherwise have to be euthanized. (I've heard so many references to "red zone" the past few weeks that at one point I thought I woke up either in the movie "Airplane" or the album "Joe's Garage.") So if you condemn Cesar or his techniques, you are obviously dooming those dogs to death.

I find it very offensive, and also a bit scary since the next step is to assume that one has a unique understanding of the techniques and then go use them.

After all, 94% of us think we possess above average intelligence...

It's predates Cesar

When I first started playing with lure and reward and later clicker training, I heard a lot of "well, that might be OK for puppies or Golden Retrievers, but with a serious dog..."  You should have read what people told me on the catahoula forums, and I imagine that other serious working breed forums were (and probably often still are) the same way.  We're fighting strong cultural currents when we argue that we can change bad behavior without a little eye for an eye.   

RE: @ Zacker

 

I did go to a trainer early on when I first Adopted her, I recieved little results in the trainig (Aggression wise) as I really had no idea it would basically be regular old obedience training,  Sit, stay, down, loose leash walking.. 

They did however, have a saturday class on distraction.. I took that as it was free because I was a paying customer of the training, it seemed to help. It got her out amongst other people and dogs but kept her just far enough away from them so she would not "Freak out" and could actually be somewhat relaxed. I think it did help some but she is still very high strung.. could be because she is over compesating for her lack of hearing.. im not sure. 

Shes good at the dog park, (when we used to go) basically stays to herself, doesnt run and play with the other dogs, she will actually run from them,  will let people pet her, and if she goes to them, its because they have treats or there is something that intrests her but then again, she doesnt show any type of aggression, she will just walk away and go about her business patrolling the outer perimiter... alone.

 

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@zacker

The fact that she responded well to the class on distraction seems to indicate that there is a lot more you can do. Liz Catalano, who also blogs here, has 2 deaf aussies and has done some amazing work with them.

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Eric Goebelbecker

Breed issues

Jeff,

I am also a crossover trainer who has had akitas for years. I got the same backlash on akita forums when I started expaining training and behavior when answering questions for akita owners that were asking. SO many akita people think "This is a dominant breed and you have to show them who is boss". Of course this meant alpha rolls and the like. It drove me crazy. All I could do is raise my next akita with all positive training and be a great example that it isn't about the breed.

Great article Eric. Thanks for sharing.

Tail wags, Marie Finnegan htt://k-9solutionsdogtraininginc.blogspot.com

  Thanks Eric...ill go

 

Thanks Eric...ill go search her out..lol

 

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Marie, Thanks, I'm glad you

Marie,

Thanks, I'm glad you liked the post.

Jeff jinxed me...I got a whole story on how different dobies are from a breeder yesterday.... :-)

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Eric Goebelbecker

"When I first started

"When I first started playing with lure and reward and later clicker training, I heard a lot of "well, that might be OK for puppies or Golden Retrievers, but with a serious dog..."  You should have read what people told me on the catahoula forums, and I imagine that other serious working breed forums were (and probably often still are) the same way."  Jeff Silverman

The number of times I have listened to "Well Rottweilers are different." are legion and is used to justify everything from prong collars to e-collars.

Equally frustrating is "Well, you have never had to work with a truly out of control dog before."

Where would people be without rationalizations.

CorgiMom I've had many dogs

CorgiMom

I've had many dogs over the years and I've tried many training methods. I must say that it's a lot like raising children. The important thing is the relationship; if you are confrontational or worse, abusive, you aren't building a relationship with your dog, you're distroying it. You may get the dog to "perform" - but what have you really gained?

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